the president's proposal right now on the table as john boehner detailed this week, he basically said this is not a serious proposal and here he is asking for more spending, neil, what i find more conflicting, when, since when is the conversation, the natural conversation become nearly-- we raise taxes or else? and it seems like the president is saying that that is the only option on the table and if nothing else happens, it's the republican's fault that we fall off the cliff and go into recession in the new year. >> and you don't believe charlie gasperino or what jay carney says, we could deal with spending cuts up front as well? >> i don't know why anybody is surprised by the opening salvo. i think this is basically it. i don't think that the president's going to budge. i mean, there's a dilutional nature of president obama. he won 50% of the vote and yet, he thinks he won 90% of the vote and that's how he's acting now and i don't care what anybody says, there is no rational reason to raise taxes right now. you don't get enough revenue to deal with the deficit and by the way, we got